Amplitube/Jamup, Loopy HD and Audiobus

edited November 2014 in General

Hi everybody,

I would like to add some fxs to my harp loops. My problem is that I can´t record anything in Loopy when using Amplitube or Jamup xt as fxs in the Audiobus chain. Without the fx everything works flawessly. I tried reinstalling both Audiobus and Loopy, but the problem persists ... no audio input in Loopy when opening Jamup. Tried Amplitube with the same result... Any idea, am I missing something?

I´m using an Ipad mini, ios7.12, and Irig.

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  • Hmm, interesting, it's working for me here on an iPad 3 with iOS 8.1.1. What's your specific setup? Are you seeing any "Error" messages in Audiobus?

  • Have you tried AudioBus with Amplitube / JamUp and system audio as output with headphones to see if they work by themselves?

  • Hey thanks, Michael and Ganthofer you for your quick reply! (I had not received email notification)

    No error messages, and yes I´ve tried all by themselves, working well.

    Ipad mini (first generation), ios7.12, Loopy HD 1.4.10, Amplitube 3.4

  • Another question for you, @tomazk - has this ever worked for you? Has something changed?

  • @Michael no, never worked...

  • edited November 2014

    @tomazk - what version Audiobus?

    It works on my iPad Air:

    • ios 7.1.2
    • AudioBus 2.1.6
    • Loopy HD 1.4.10
    • Amplitube(free version) 3.4.0

    Using headset with mic (not using dock connector since irig uses headphone jack). You are using the headset connection for the irig, correct? Or do you have one of the newer models that connect to the docking port (30pin/lightning)?

  • edited November 2014

    Yes, minijack connection @Ganthofer, and AudioBus 2.1.7

  • @tomazk - have you tried a complete shut down power off of your iPad?

    Amplitube in the FX slot?
    System Audio in the input slot?

    You could also try AmplitubeAmplitube in the input slot. It works there as well for me.

    I'm out of any good ideas why it's not working.

  • Me too - I was just gonna suggest what @Ganthofer already has! I do know that the 1st gen iPad Mini is notorious for these kind of shenanigans (mostly because it's drastically underpowered), but I'd expect at least some sound to come through. Is it just those two apps? Do any other effects work?

  • Thank you guys @Ganthofer I tried all the combinations in the chain and nothing. @Michael That's my fear, maybe it's too much for the mini... I have not more fx apps to test, any suggestion?

  • Hmm, maybe take a look through the list at http://audiob.us/apps/effects and grab a free one? No free effects particularly come to mind.

    I'm sure you've got this, but just to make sure: you've definitely tried with, specifically, JamUp in Input slot, and Loopy in Output slot, right?

  • edited December 2014

    I'm having the same issue.

    iPad 2 64gb, iOS 8.1.1, Loopy HD 1.4.10, Audiobus 2.1.8

    I've tried many input effect apps, they all do the same thing, and all work direct to output, just no input signal at all in Loopy HD. I thought maybe it was iOS 8.1, so I did a full restore to factory without restoring my backup and tried all the apps again, same issue.

    Loopy works fine on it's own with direct mic input, it just doesn't seem to like effects apps. Both standalone with mic works, and mic->empty effects->loopy in audiobus works fine.

    Any ideas guys? I'd like to use this setup to replace my pedal board with all digital. After fighting with this for weeks I'm starting to consider selling the Duo Capture and FCB1010 I bought.

  • edited December 2014

    I did a little more testing. As stated above Amplitube and Jamup (just tested) works on my iPad Air (both Input and Effects slot)

    • ios 7.1.2
    • AudioBus 2.1.6
    • Loopy HD 1.4.10
    • Amplitube(free version) 3.4.0
    • Jamup 3.6.6

    I tried my iPhone 5c and Jamup XT works in the Effect slot, but the input slot requires that you select the "Amp/Fx Switch" from the sub selection, not the main JamUp icon in the list. Amplitube works in both slots. So other than the one sub selection that is required for JamUp in the Input slot, everything works.

    • iOS 8.1.1
    • AudioBus 2.1.8
    • Loopy HD 1.4.10
    • Jamup XT(free version )
    • Amplitube (free version ) 3.4.0
  • edited December 2014

    I've tried Jamup XT, Amplitube, Stompbox Band, Ampkit+, Tonestack, Echo, and Voice Jam Studio in all positions. Plain ole mic input is the only thing Loopy works with. I even tried jailbreaking and installing the last five or so versions of pirated Loopy and Audiobus, no combination works on this iPad. Unfortunately I never got to try it before somebody upgraded it to iOS 8.

    Could this really be something specific to this hardware?

  • Wow! Why is it so different for you! Hmm.. Do you see any "Error" messages on the Audiobus main screen?

  • Nope, sometimes Loopy goes a little crazy and shows error, but a restart/quit of Audiobus and loopy generally makes it go back to a normal state. By the time I see the error indicator, I've already done a bunch of stuff like change the sample rate and kill/launch apps within an Audiobus session, so I don't expect it to gracefully handle that.

  • Right, okay. And yet, you get no sound going into Loopy! Do the audio indicators move at all, in response to input? Just making sure it isn't a monitor setting issue...

  • Nah, that's the issue, no input indication at all, just an empty bar.

  • I keep reading thread where people mention the input selection, I've yet to find any way to choose an input in Loopy.

  • Loopy input selection is only available in stand alone use ( with out AudioBus).

  • At this point, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas on my own, and might need a little extra diagnosis. If you're up for it - and you have a Mac - a snapshot of the system console output could go a long way to explaining what on earth's happening here. It'll take a little bit of doing to get it, though: about five to ten minutes.

    If you're up for it, it'd help a lot though. Here's how:

    1. Grab the iOS Console Mac app
    2. Connect your iPad via USB to your computer, and open iOS Console
    3. A window should appear for your iPad
    4. In the File menu, select "Export Logs" - save the file somewhere
    5. Email that file to me (michael at atastypixel.com)
  • Arg, I'll have to borrow a Mac or something. I'm a Linux developer and try to keep OS X/Windows out of my household (for moral reasons). The only reason I have an iPad is because I'm a musician lol.

  • When I get back to my pedal board I'm going to attempt outputting my effects and then looping into another input to loopy haha.

  • Ah, if you're on linux, try idevicesyslog (part of the libimobiledevice package)

  • edited December 2014

    Ok, I just setup everything so that: Tonestack was outputting to speaker properly, then removed speaker from the output, added Loopy HD as output, then switched to Loopy HD (no input still).

    This is the activity output during that time period:

    Dec  1 21:57:45 Joshuas-iPad syslog_relay[955] <Notice>: syslog_relay found the ASL prompt. Starting...
    Dec  1 21:57:59 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Output <Receiver Port <<Peer Audiobus (self) 0x17d67e60> 0x17ea6590>:Speaker 0x17d92620> ejected
    Dec  1 21:57:59 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => []> went inactive
    Dec  1 21:57:59 Joshuas-iPad ToneStack[999] <Warning>: Connection graph update from <<Peer Audiobus (local) 0x14612300> 0x158a6000>.
    Dec  1 21:57:59 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection state update ack from <<Peer ToneStack (local) 0x17e4c300> 0x17da1940>
    Dec  1 21:57:59 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Warning>: Releasing IAA for <Filter Port <<Peer ToneStack (local) 0x17e4c300> 0x17da1940>:ToneStack 0x17da6e00>
    Dec  1 21:57:59 Joshuas-iPad ToneStack[999] <Warning>: Inter-App Audio disconnected from filter port 'ToneStack'
    Dec  1 21:58:00 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Add pressed for outputs
    Dec  1 21:58:00 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABPortPickerController opened
    Dec  1 21:58:01 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABPortPickerController: Selected local peer <<Peer Loopy HD (local) 0x17d32b00> 0x17d353b0>
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Picked output <Receiver Port <<Peer Loopy HD (local) 0x17d32b00> 0x17d353b0>:Main Audio Input 0x17d33950>
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => [Loopy HD]> went active
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => [Loopy HD]> went inactive
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Loopy HD[1004] <Warning>: Connection graph update from <<Peer Audiobus (local) 0x15d36150> 0x15e14710>.
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Loopy HD[1004] <Warning>: Connected to Audiobus
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad ToneStack[999] <Warning>: Connection graph update from <<Peer Audiobus (local) 0x14612300> 0x158a6000>.
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection state update ack from <<Peer ToneStack (local) 0x17e4c300> 0x17da1940>
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection state update ack from <<Peer Loopy HD (local) 0x17d32b00> 0x17d353b0>
    Dec  1 21:58:03 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => [Loopy HD]> went active
    Dec  1 21:58:05 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Button pressed for port
    Dec  1 21:58:05 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: TestFlight: Ending Session
    Dec  1 21:58:05 Joshuas-iPad locationd[94] <Notice>: Gesture EnabledForTopCLient: 0, EnabledInDaemonSettings: 0
    Dec  1 21:58:06 Joshuas-iPad locationd[94] <Notice>: Gesture EnabledForTopCLient: 0, EnabledInDaemonSettings: 0
    

    Looks like it immediately loses it's connection after connecting properly.

  • Perfect, that's great! Hmm, so that's weird, there's no actual connection happening. Let me look into this and get back to you in a sec.

  • Tried again without "--debug" on the command line, doesn't appear to affect anything:

    Dec  1 22:05:25 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Output <Receiver Port <<Peer Audiobus (self) 0x17d67e60> 0x17ea6590>:Speaker 0x17d92620> ejected
    Dec  1 22:05:25 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => []> went inactive
    Dec  1 22:05:25 Joshuas-iPad ToneStack[999] <Warning>: Connection graph update from <<Peer Audiobus (local) 0x14612300> 0x158a6000>.
    Dec  1 22:05:25 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection state update ack from <<Peer ToneStack (local) 0x17e4c300> 0x17da1940>
    Dec  1 22:05:25 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Warning>: Releasing IAA for <Filter Port <<Peer ToneStack (local) 0x17e4c300> 0x17da1940>:ToneStack 0x17da6e00>
    Dec  1 22:05:25 Joshuas-iPad ToneStack[999] <Warning>: Inter-App Audio disconnected from filter port 'ToneStack'
    Dec  1 22:05:26 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Add pressed for outputs
    Dec  1 22:05:26 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABPortPickerController opened
    Dec  1 22:05:27 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABPortPickerController: Selected local peer <<Peer Loopy HD (local) 0x17d32b00> 0x17d353b0>
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Picked output <Receiver Port <<Peer Loopy HD (local) 0x17d32b00> 0x17d353b0>:Main Audio Input 0x17d33950>
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => [Loopy HD]> went active
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => [Loopy HD]> went inactive
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Loopy HD[1004] <Warning>: Connection graph update from <<Peer Audiobus (local) 0x15d36150> 0x15e14710>.
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Loopy HD[1004] <Warning>: Connected to Audiobus
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad ToneStack[999] <Warning>: Connection graph update from <<Peer Audiobus (local) 0x14612300> 0x158a6000>.
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection state update ack from <<Peer ToneStack (local) 0x17e4c300> 0x17da1940>
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection state update ack from <<Peer Loopy HD (local) 0x17d32b00> 0x17d353b0>
    Dec  1 22:05:29 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: Connection pipeline <[Audiobus] => [ToneStack] => [Loopy HD]> went active
    Dec  1 22:05:32 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: ABConnectionsViewController: Button pressed for port
    Dec  1 22:05:33 Joshuas-iPad Audiobus[980] <Notice>: TestFlight: Ending Session
    Dec  1 22:05:33 Joshuas-iPad locationd[94] <Notice>: Gesture EnabledForTopCLient: 0, EnabledInDaemonSettings: 0
    Dec  1 22:05:33 Joshuas-iPad locationd[94] <Notice>: Gesture EnabledForTopCLient: 0, EnabledInDaemonSettings: 0
    
  • edited December 2014

    Thank you for the prompt responses. I hope it's not a crazy time of day where you are right now.

  • No worries, thanks for being such a good sport and getting the console, that's hugely useful =)

  • One more thing to try: could you quit everything from the multitasking menu (double-tap home button, swipe Audiobus, Loopy and ToneStack off the top), then repeat the exercise from scratch, recording the console output the whole time?

    I wanna see what Loopy says when it sees ToneStack.

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