Loopy: Masterpiece Edition - the journey begins

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  • edited December 2020

    @Michael said:

    @JonasV said:

    @Michael said:

    The most advanced (but I don’t think any looper does this yet and it’s probably not even possible for now) would be if Loopy analyzed the “microphone in” signal, and subtracted the sound of the “out to speaker” signal from it. That way it would remove (or at least reduce) the sound of existing running loops bleeding into a new loop you made.

    Already got this covered! I’ve developed a non-distorting acoustic echo cancellation system. Also works for external audio gear (mics/monitors etc)

    Wow that's just amazing! Is it so good that it manages to remove the loop bleeding when using Loopy with the device's internal speaker+microphone? (which is by far the most extreme case of loop bleeding)

    It depends a little on the environment; if it’s sitting on a hard surface which conducts the sound from speaker to mic really effectively it only helps a little right now, but in my office setup on a stand it almost completely eliminates the direct path; one can hear very quiet room echoes only. Future improvements are probable; I just ran out of designated time for that little project.

    I've spoken about upcoming Loopy Pro to Darren (Beardyman). As I'm sure you've seen, his system is super complex, but uses Ableton as its brains, which isn't optimized for live loop recording/playback like Loopy is. Doesn't have latency compensation, and surely uses much more CPU than Loopy Pro will.
    With all these features Loopy Pro is getting, I could definitely see it be used as the brains of many audio systems, such as Darrens Beardytron.

    This loop bleeding/echo cancellation you talked about is mind-blowing to me. Up until now one of the greatest downsides of live looping vs live instrument playing was the fact that live looping had this "loops bleeding into loops" problem, wheras with live instruments you would just get feedback if you really push the gain and volume too far.
    This changes completely if you have bleed/echo cancellation. I had dreamed of this years ago but thought it would be impossible or too CPU-intensive.

  • edited December 2020

    Maximum hype for upcoming Loopy Pro!

  • 😆

    Yeah, I think it's gonna be pretty good!! Can't wait to get it out the door.

  • Hi Michael - one of the things that attracted me to Loopy HD was that you could touch and manipulate the loops.

    Sorry if this has been covered, but are you planning on increasing the loop touching functionality with this new loopy iteration that you're working on?

    While I could touch the loops, they never behaved the way I wanted - I had hoped that touching the loop would be like manipulating a turntable, going backwards as well as forwards freely.

    Going further, it would be great if one could touch the loop and move it through a scale, The recently released Gauss looper has a control strip where you can move it in pre-determined increments (100%, 150%, 200% forwards and backwards) This is a great start (And I have contacted Bram Bos about this as well) but to be able to take something you've just recorded and move through a scale (with all the unpredictably that that would engender) would be really cool. Samplr does many things, but it doesn't do this - Gauss is the closest.

    thank you!

  • I've bought new microphones, and looking at a new camera, to make new live looping song videos once Loopy Pro comes out. Will integrate it into my rig as soon as it does. Hype! :)

  • Can I help with betatesting? My mail is [email protected]

  • HI MICHAEL
    Well, now if you search 'Loopy HD' into youtube i'm VERY proud to say that my video tutorial is the first link (with my advanced tutorial being number 4!).
    I absolutely LOVE loopy HD and always recommend it. If you need a Beta / TestFlight tester for Loopy Pro then i'm all for it. :)

    patienceisavirtue

  • Brilliant, @johnpaulmusicuk! And thanks heaps for making it - and for the kind words.

    I'd definitely like your assistance when the time comes! Not long now.

  • edited April 2021

    Hey Michael, any ETA on when the app will be available? I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it must be for you so please don't take this the wrong way. I LOVE loopy the way it is right now. But of course it has its limitations and I wish there was a killer app on the store that I could always rely on...

    But I am considering buying a BOSS RC-505 and god knows I don't want to, cause I feel like digital is the way of the future instead of carrying around something so bulky that serves only one purpose. Doesn't make sense to me.

    So, yeah, do you have any idea as to how long it might take you?

    Keep up the great work! All the best.

    HK

  • @johnpaulmusicuk I have watched your tutorials on repeat. :smile: They are awesome. Thanks for making them! @emotimon ... I keeping looking at the 505 also, but with a $75 nanoKontrol 2 and Loopy's custom midi-map programming, I can have fader/knob volume control on 12 tracks vs. 5. The one feature I'm looking for, that I haven't been able to duplicate reliably yet is the pitch shifter/guitar to bass.

    I expect I'll pick up a 505 at some point ... but it's hard for me to justify the expense for fewer tracks. For another $75 I can use another nK2 on my iphone, connect them both to my mixer, and fade/switch between them. That's my current experiment. : )

    And yes, Michael, you have many fans awaiting this new release!

  • Sorry about the delay, @emotimon. It's coming! Already in early alpha testing.

  • edited May 2021

    @riverchoir @emotimon
    I was also seriously looking at the RC-505 a few years back. But then stubbornly stuck to iOS and various software, in hopes of a tool like Loopy Pro to come along. My 2 cents on the matter: if I were you I'd wait for Loopy Pro. It will blow the RC-505 away, especially in terms of modularity. You will be able to make your own custom rig rather than being stuck with a handful of configurations and effects. It's so close, would be too bad to give in now. Cheers!

  • @JonasV said:
    @riverchoir @emotimon
    I was also seriously looking at the RC-505 a few years back. But then stubbornly stuck to iOS and various software, in hopes of a tool like Loopy Pro to come along. My 2 cents on the matter: if I were you I'd wait for Loopy Pro. It will blow the RC-505 away, especially in terms of modularity. You will be able to make your own custom rig rather than being stuck with a handful of configurations and effects. It's so close, would be too bad to give in now. Cheers!

    Yeah. I think software with a midi pedal is the way forward here.

  • Michael, I've made six solo guitar albums now using LoopyHD, and played a bunch of live gigs. It has been the centre of my recording setup for many years at this point. I'd be keen to help with beta testing later this year as long as it could be safely sandboxed from the older app version in my workflow.
    Loopy has been just SO AMAZING to work with. A million thanks, Ed
    https://thermalhowl.bandcamp.com/

  • Hello Michael, I'm not a pro, but I could test beta versions on Ipads.
    I have an Ipad 3 (the old one) and an Ipad 8. I have both Scarlett 2i2 (2nd generation) and (the old) Alesis IO-Dock II.
    Cheers
    Edson

  • edited September 2021

    Props Michael! Your really doing it!
    I’ll look for Beta, but if I dont find it add me ya?
    [email protected]

  • Thanks! Make sure you're signed up at loopypro.com, I'll be sending out notifications there.

  • Well... I've been around the block in the world of loopers. As a full time solo performer, I went from Boss RC-3, to digitech JamMan stereo, to Electro Harmonix EH22500, to LoopyHD, to Ableton/Mobius on a laptop rig, back to the EH22500, and now I'm on a Headrush Looperboard(Avoid this TRASH product) and fixing to migrate back to the laptop rig even though it takes a lot of work to set up and I get really nervous about cloudy skies in the summer months. I've owned those and had experience with many others and at the end of the day, LoopyHD is still my favorite.

    I always come back to this page once every few months to check up and was very pleased to see the beta signup sheet!

    I am patiently counting the days, I miss Loopy dearly!

  • I'm curious if Loopy Pro will have the following:

    The ability to route sidechain compression
    Routing inputs to a loop or NOT (so mic can not bleed into other loops)
    Tempo per scene
    mixing saved loops with new loops

    The app looks really great by the way!

  • edited October 2021

    @jxsh said:
    I'm curious if Loopy Pro will have the following:

    The ability to route sidechain compression

    Yep; there's an 'envelope follow' Follow Action you can set up per track (and soon, per color), which can drive any parameters you want.

    Routing inputs to a loop or NOT (so mic can not bleed into other loops)

    Yep

    Tempo per scene

    Yep (ideally requires scene follow actions, which can be triggered when the scene is triggered, but you can already just make a widget to change the tempo). Note that this will adjust the tempo for the whole session.

    mixing saved loops with new loops

    Yep, drag one loop onto another or use the merge action from a widget/MIDI

    The app looks really great by the way!

    Thanks!

  • Oh man I’m even more excited now! Follow actions!? Excellent I really can’t wait. It sounds like Loopy Pro is going to be truly groundbreaking. Thanks for the reply!

    I’ve joined the email list and am hoping to be involved in the beta. Cheers!

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