Shorten loops with a pinch feature
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Like others I have a hard time keeping the length of my loop precise. Maybe feature where you select a track and use a pinch gesture to shorten the loop (truncating from the end?) I understand this could be really hard to implement. Of course the converse of this, a spread gesture could add time to the loop.
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Thanks heaps for the feedback, Ricojman!
With this stuff, I'm always more keen to find a solution to the problem, rather than slapping on a bandaid solution, which is what post-record loop tweaking sounds like to me.
So, coming at this from another direction, can you think of anything that might make it easier for you to record the first loop? Have you tried setting a tempo in advance, using the metronome and using the count-in/count-out feature to automatically manage the timing for you?
Alternatively, did you know that recording begins and ends on *release*, rather than the initial touch? -
My musical associate and I have had good luck building some starters (a bass line or beat) in Logic/Garageband (Any DAW really) and quantizing it right to the beat. You can export pretty much any format and then import them into Loopy and save the session. Then you have a jumping off point that is perfectly sync'd every time. If you aren't committed to live-looping every part of your performance, it works great and takes the pressure off that first loop.
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Thanks you two...I Appreciate the ideas. After practicing a bit more with Loopy I've been able to have a bit more success. I have to
Adjust my guitar playing/arrangement to tap the screen but I am getting the hang of it.
cheers,
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Hi guys - Just to let you know - I actually was searching the forums, wondering about exactly this feature - spread gestured to add time to a loop / pinch to shorten it. I even tried the gestures instinctively to see if they'd do that. It seems such a natural corollary to the twist gesture. The alternatives - metronome or a starter loop that acts like a metronome of course take the pressure of getting it just perfect but they mean you add a beat to your live performance which may not be what you really want. Anyway, I thought I'd let you know that this feature does come up somewhat instinctively (or did for me), so it might be worth considering - both for tweaking the first loop, and for the case where you aren't quantizing any tracks so are doing all the timing yourself for fractional snippets etc. and want to change how things overlap.
And the app is fantastic by the way. A really nice job. Super intuitive, super attractive and does everything you want really well! -
This is a great idea, @pablissimo - I'm definitely willing to consider it. I was originally thinking of mapping the pinch/spread gesture to altering the speed of the loop (doubling/halving), but this is an equally valid proposal. Perhaps the first loop can behave differently, or something - because it doesn't make sense to adjust the track length arbitrarily on anything but the first loop when your track are synced. I'll have a think about it.
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Here's where I chime in. Visuals help! How about a more dynamic visual countdown in addition to click & flash, i.e 16th note numbered "ticks" show up on first pass around the perimeter of track one -- they would appear like a SECOND HAND (have the ticks disappear as metronome ticks off) showing up on first loop recording; aiding the eye/mind to see/feel the timely end approaching more clearly?
I have never played with a looper before this one. Like the rest, i really appreciate the thought that went into the concept and execution of this way cool tool.
My first use:
I made a track in MusicStudio on iPhone with my YOU ROCK GUITAR MIDI controller triggering the sounds. Audio Copied the WAV output track mix. It worked like a charm loading into LOOPY (a progress meter would be helpful here as well as when saving LOOPY DUPES ;) PROCESSING internally needs to give the USER feedback IMHO: to say hey, the program is doing something, don't press any more buttons, like I did not realizing it was busy or thinking it had crashed--- which it did a few times after I pushed buttons while it was transferring the WAV file and while saving five layered vocal parts. Great fun.
SUGGESTION: do you plan to setup a mastering stage for final output (compressor/limiting) with chorus and reverb (pre-post rec) for tracking Fx? IF SO, the imagination and creativity will explode in all who play here! There wont be any other app or platform that can come close to the mighty musical tool you've put together. Peeps will buy iPhones just to use LOOPY? It's that good! Thanks Michael & crew! -
I wish I had a good suggestion on this, but just wanted to mention that this is an issue for me too. I was thinking similarly to the original comment that some sort or trim tool would be great, but you are also correct that if I could just get my loop in sync the first time it wouldn't be an issue. I record a lot of drums as well as guitar & bass, drums are the hardest to get right but the start of the loop is often a tricky thing for any instruments I use.
Loopy is fantastic by the way, and I am extremely interested in audiobus, keep up the good work! -
I, too, automatically tried to do this. I might add that trying to edit track lengths in GB on the iPad is not as accurate as I'd like, and I might suggest including "tick" arrows for minute shaving (maybe 1/16th of a second?)
By the way, this is an awesome app. -
Sorry about the delay in responding, folks, I've been elbows deep in Audiobus =)
Some good suggestions about visual aids, @MauiMacMan - I'll have a think about how I can make timing easier for people; although I wonder if something so small on-screen would make a huge amount of difference. I personally find it hard to take timing cues from visual sources, especially small ones.
Tweaking of track lengths does seem to be a very common request, so it may be something I end up going with anyway. I think this might be kinda cool as an effect, too, so I'm pretty tempted to do so. -
While we're on the subject of visual cues, I'm a bit confused about the visual metronome. Is it supposed to flash in 1/8th note intervals? Whatever the subdivision, I find it doesn't flash consistently (like 3 out of every 4 beats, and not always the same ones). Is this a known bug? Is there any way to set it to flash on just 1/4 notes?
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I already mentioned it elsewhere in the past, but I would still love to have a different metronome sound, something with a sharper sound that is easier to hear over live drums. I'm guessing the rest of the timing issue is with me but I'm always just a split second off at the beginning of the loop.
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@thatsRayor - Hmm, that doesn't sound great. Are we talking about the full-screen flash? It should be flashing on each beat (crotchets/quarter notes), although if you let Loopy guess the BPM, instead of setting one yourself, it might guess double or half the true BPM sometimes.
@conor23 - Righto - I can't promise action on that front straight away, but I'll keep it in mind. -
Yep the full-screen flash. I haven't tested it extensively but I'm setting my own BPM (fairly slow- 90BPM) and it's definitely flashing some 8ths notes on my iPad 2 (with Loopy HD). It doesn't seem consistently inconsistent so I'll try and do some more tests.
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After some quick testing of the visual metronome, it seems that it's set to flash every 8th note (same as the hihat, which makes sense I guess) with an accent (ie a brighter flash) every 1/2 note (as in X-x-x-x-X-x-x-x, with each 'x' representing an 8th note). I tried turning it on and off a number of times and several different things would happen:
- the accent would disappear
- it would skip certain beats, creating a rhythmic pattern (like X-x-x-o or X-x-o-o, with 'o' representing a skipped beat)
- a combination of the above
I'm probably analysing this a bit too much, but if there's one thing a metronome needs to be it's consistent :) in any case, I'm enjoying Loopy more and more each time I use it.
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